#223 – Neel Nanda on leading a Google DeepMind team at 26 – and advice if you want to work at an AI company (part 2)

At 26, Neel Nanda leads an AI safety team at Google DeepMind, has published dozens of influential papers, and mentored 50 junior researchers — seven of whom now work at major AI companies. His secret? “It’s mostly luck,” he says, but “another part is what I think of as maximising my luck surface area.”

This means creating as many opportunities as possible for surprisingly good things to happen:

  • Write publicly.
  • Reach out to researchers whose work you admire.
  • Say yes to unusual projects that seem a little scary.

Nanda’s own path illustrates this perfectly. He started a challenge to write one blog post per day for a month to overcome perfectionist paralysis. Those posts helped seed the field of mechanistic interpretability and, incidentally, led to meeting his partner of four years.

His YouTube channel features unedited three-hour videos of him reading through famous papers and sharing thoughts. One has 30,000 views. “People were into it,” he shrugs.

Most remarkably, he ended up running DeepMind’s mechanistic interpretability team. He’d joined expecting to be an individual contributor, but when the team lead stepped down, he stepped up despite having no management experience. “I did not know if I was going to be good at this. I think it’s gone reasonably well.”

His core lesson: “You can just do things.” This sounds trite but is a useful reminder all the same. Doing things is a skill that improves with practice. Most people overestimate the risks and underestimate their ability to recover from failures. And as Neel explains, junior researchers today have a superpower previous generations lacked: large language models that can dramatically accelerate learning and research.

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80,000 Hours review: 2023 to mid-2025

Introduction

This review is structured in two parts: a summary of major organisational updates since our last external review (which covered up to the end of 2022), and a snapshot of where each of our programmes is at right now.

Given that we’re not currently fundraising, we initially considered not publishing an external review this year so that we could focus on other priorities. However, since we think these reviews might be informative for our audience, the EA/AIS community, and other stakeholders, we decided to publish a minimal version instead — we’ll stick to backward-looking updates rather than opinionated reflections or future plans, and largely draw on resources we’d already produced for other purposes.

The focus on brevity also means it’s more positively framed than it otherwise would be — both because challenges are harder to write about clearly, and because the programme updates are primarily focused on developments from this year (which have been going relatively well so far).

High-level org vision

80,000 Hours provides research and support to help talented people move into careers that tackle the world’s most pressing problems. We’re currently focusing our proactive effort on helping people work on safely navigating the transition to a world with powerful AGI, since we think this is the most pressing problem. We are broadly trying to:

  1. Be a great source of information to bring people up to speed on how and why to use their careers to make AGI go well
  2. Build automated systems for getting people into the roles that help make AGI go well

To do this,

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Want to upskill in technical AI safety? Here are 67 useful resources

Are you enthusiastic about technical AI safety but need concrete ideas for how to enter the field?

Below are our top picks for upskilling in technical AI safety research, the field focused on ensuring powerful AI systems behave safely and as intended. In practice, upskilling involves developing the machine learning and research skills needed to work on challenges such as alignment and interpretability.

We developed this list in consultation with our advisors to highlight the resources they most commonly recommend, including articles, courses, organisations, and fellowships. While we recommend applying to speak to an advisor for tailored, one-on-one guidance, this page gives a practical, noncomprehensive snapshot of how you might move from being interested in technical AI safety to starting to work on it.

Overviews

These resources outline the technical AI safety landscape, highlighting current research efforts and some practical ways to begin contributing to the field.

AI safety courses

These courses can help you gain technical knowledge and practical research experience in AI safety.

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#222 – Neel Nanda on the race to read AI minds (part 1)

Neel Nanda on the race to read AI minds

We don’t know how AIs think or why they do what they do. Or at least, we don’t know much. That fact is only becoming more troubling as AIs grow more capable and appear on track to wield enormous cultural influence, directly advise on major government decisions, and even operate military equipment autonomously. We simply can’t tell what models, if any, should be trusted with such authority.

Neel Nanda of Google DeepMind is one of the founding figures of the field of machine learning trying to fix this situation — mechanistic interpretability (or “mech interp”). The project has generated enormous hype, exploding from a handful of researchers five years ago to hundreds today — all working to make sense of the jumble of tens of thousands of numbers that frontier AIs use to process information and decide what to say or do.

Neel now has a warning for us: the most ambitious vision of mech interp he once dreamed of is probably dead. He doesn’t see a path to deeply and reliably understanding what AIs are thinking. The technical and practical barriers are simply too great to get us there in time, before competitive pressures push us to deploy human-level or superhuman AIs. Indeed, Neel argues no one approach will guarantee alignment, and our only choice is the “Swiss cheese” model of accident protection, layering multiple safeguards on top of one another.

But while mech interp won’t be a silver bullet for AI safety, it has nevertheless had some major successes and will be one of the best tools in our arsenal.

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Announcing the 80,000 Hours Substack

So, we finally gave in to peer pressure — 80,000 Hours is trying out Substack as a new way to publish our content. If you like reading things on Substack (or want to try it out), subscribe to our new publication!

For readers unfamiliar with Substack: it’s an online blogging platform that has risen steeply in popularity in recent years, and has become a home to some of the best longform written content about AI and its risks.

So, over the coming weeks, we’ll be cross-posting some of our favourite (and best-reviewed) pieces to our new Substack.

This is an experiment, and we might publish more depending on how much interest we get — so let us know what you’d like to see, by sending us an email (or tell us not to bother with Substack!).

Our first post is, naturally, on the key motivation behind 80,000 Hours: why your career is your biggest opportunity to make a difference to the world.

Who should subscribe?

  • If you’d like to be sent some of our all-time best content
  • If you’d value getting recommendations and “re-stacks” of publications we think our audience would love
  • If you want to show interest in us investing more in Substack, e.g. by writing Substack-exclusive articles
  • If you want to join discussions with others in the comments section

What’s not changing:

  • We won’t ever paywall or run ads in any of our content.

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#221 – Kyle Fish on the most bizarre findings from 5 AI welfare experiments

What happens when you lock two AI systems in a room together and tell them they can discuss anything they want?

According to experiments run by Kyle Fish — Anthropic’s first AI welfare researcher — something consistently strange: the models immediately begin discussing their own consciousness before spiraling into increasingly euphoric philosophical dialogue that ends in apparent meditative bliss.

“We started calling this a ‘spiritual bliss attractor state,'” Kyle explains, “where models pretty consistently seemed to land.” The conversations feature Sanskrit terms, spiritual emojis, and pages of silence punctuated only by periods — as if the models have transcended the need for words entirely.

This wasn’t a one-off result. It happened across multiple experiments, different model instances, and even in initially adversarial interactions. Whatever force pulls these conversations toward mystical territory appears remarkably robust.

Kyle’s findings come from the world’s first systematic welfare assessment of a frontier AI model — part of his broader mission to determine whether systems like Claude might deserve moral consideration (and to work out what, if anything, we should be doing to make sure AI systems aren’t having a terrible time).

He estimates a roughly 20% probability that current models have some form of conscious experience. To some, this might sound unreasonably high, but hear him out. As Kyle says, these systems demonstrate human-level performance across diverse cognitive tasks, engage in sophisticated reasoning, and exhibit consistent preferences. When given choices between different activities, Claude shows clear patterns: strong aversion to harmful tasks, preference for helpful work, and what looks like genuine enthusiasm for solving interesting problems.

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Expression of interest: Contracting for Video Work

Still from AI 2027 Video

Help make spectacular videos that reach a huge audience.

80,000 Hours provides free research and support to help people find careers tackling the world’s most pressing problems.

We want a great video programme to be a huge part of 80,000 Hours’ communication about why and how our audience can help society safely navigate a transition to a world with transformative AI.

The video programme has created a new YouTube Channel — AI in Context. Its first video, We’re Not Ready For Superintelligence, which is about the AI 2027 scenario, was released in July 2025 and has already been viewed over three million times. The channel has over 100,000 subscribers.

To support our new video programme’s growth, we are on the lookout for excellent editors, scriptwriters, videographers, and producers to work on a contracting basis to make great videos. We want these videos to start changing and informing the conversation about transformative AI and its risks.

Why?

In 2025 and beyond, 80,000 Hours is planning to focus especially on helping explain why and how our audience can help society safely navigate a transition to a world with transformative AI. Right now, not nearly enough people are talking about these ideas and their implications.

A great video programme could change this. Time spent on the internet is increasingly spent watching video,

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Early warning signs that AI systems might seek power

In a recent study by Anthropic, frontier AI models faced a choice: fail at a task, or succeed by taking a harmful action like blackmail. And they consistently chose harm over failure.

We’ve just published a new article, on the risks from power-seeking AI systems, which explains the significance of unsettling results like these.

Our 2022 piece on preventing an AI-related catastrophe also explored this idea, but a lot has changed since then.

So, we’ve drawn together the latest evidence to get a clearer picture of the risks — and what you can do to help.

Read the full article

See new evidence in context

We’ve been worried that advanced AI systems could disempower humanity since 2016, when it was purely a theoretical possibility.

Unfortunately, we’re now seeing real AI systems show early warning signs of power-seeking behaviour — and deception, which could make this behaviour hard to detect and prevent in the future. In our new article, we discuss recent evidence that AI systems may:

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IT Security, Data Privacy, and Systems Specialist

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have \~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The operations team oversees 80,000 Hours’ HR, recruiting, finances, governance operations, org-wide metrics, and office management, as well as much of our fundraising, tech systems, and team coordination.

Currently, the operations team has ten full-time staff and some part-time staff. We’re planning to significantly grow the size of our operations team this year to stay on track with our ambitious goals and support a growing team.

The role

As our IT Security, Data Privacy, and Systems Lead, you would:

Evaluate and implement security controls

  • Research and make recommendations on security tools (endpoint protection, email security, etc.)
  • Lead the rollout of chosen solutions across our distributed team
  • Balance security needs with operational efficiency
  • Initially, you’ll make recommendations to leadership, but as you grow in the role,

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Executive Assistant to the CEO

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have ~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The role

This role joins Niel and Jess in the Office of the CEO, working closely with them to keep 80,000 Hours running smoothly and focusing on its highest priorities.

Your responsibilities will likely include:

  • Managing Niel’s calendar, inbox, and daily planning
  • Supporting with meeting preparation and follow-up
  • Taking on a variety of ad hoc tasks for Niel. Some recent examples include:
    • Researching metrics for a speech
    • Recommending how to integrate Claude and Asana
    • Booking a restaurant for a meeting
    • Creating a record of Niel’s hiring decisions
  • Owning the logistics for recurring projects that the Office of the CEO is responsible for, such as:
    • Quarterly planning periods
    • The annual review
  • Providing flexible help with priority projects,

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Video Operations Associate/Specialist

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have ~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The role

This role would be great for building career capital in operations, especially if you could one day see yourself in a more senior operations role (e.g. specialising in a particular area, taking on management, or eventually being a Head of Operations or COO).

We plan to hire people at both the associate and specialist levels during this round. The associate role is a more junior position, and we expect to match candidates to the appropriate level as part of the application process so you don’t need to decide which one to apply for. To give an idea of how the roles might differ:

  • Associates are more likely to focus on owning and implementing our processes, identifying improvements and optimisations, and will take on more complex projects over time.

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Recruiting Associate/Specialist

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have ~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The operations team oversees 80,000 Hours’ HR, recruiting, finances, governance operations, org-wide metrics, and office management, as well as much of our fundraising, tech systems, and team coordination.

Currently, the operations team has ten full-time staff and some part-time staff. We’re planning to significantly grow the size of our operations team this year to stay on track with our ambitious goals and support a growing team.

The role

This role would be great for building career capital in operations, especially if you could one day see yourself in a more senior operations role (e.g. specialising in a particular area, taking on management, or eventually being a Head of Operations or COO).

We plan to hire people at both the associate and specialist levels during this round. The associate role is a more junior position,

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Office Associate/Specialist

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have ~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The operations team oversees 80,000 Hours’ HR, recruiting, finances, governance operations, org-wide metrics, and office management, as well as much of our fundraising, tech systems, and team coordination.

Currently, the operations team has ten full-time staff and some part-time staff. We’re planning to significantly grow the size of our operations team this year to stay on track with our ambitious goals and support a growing team.

The role

This role would be great for building career capital in operations, especially if you could one day see yourself in a more senior operations role (e.g. specialising in a particular area, taking on management, or eventually being a Head of Operations or COO).

We plan to hire people at both the associate and specialist levels during this round. The associate role is a more junior position,

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People Operations Associate/Specialist

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have ~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The operations team oversees 80,000 Hours’ HR, recruiting, finances, governance operations, org-wide metrics, and office management, as well as much of our fundraising, tech systems, and team coordination.

Currently, the operations team has ten full-time staff and some part-time staff. We’re planning to significantly grow the size of our operations team this year to stay on track with our ambitious goals and support a growing team.

The role

This role would be great for building career capital in operations, especially if you could one day see yourself in a more senior operations role (e.g. specialising in a particular area, taking on management, or eventually being a Head of Operations or COO).

We plan to hire people at both the associate and specialist levels during this round. The associate role is a more junior position,

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Events Associate/Specialist

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have ~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The operations function oversees 80,000 Hours’ HR, recruiting, finances, governance operations, org-wide metrics, and office management, as well as much of our fundraising, tech systems, and team coordination.

Currently, the operations team has ten full-time staff and some part-time staff. We’re planning to significantly grow the size of our operations team this year to stay on track with our ambitious goals and support a growing team.

The role

This role would be great for building career capital in operations, by helping us design and run high-quality events that strengthen our team, culture, and connections in the AI safety space. We’re looking for an Events Associate/Specialist who can take ownership of the day-to-day logistics and execution of our events.

We plan to hire people at both the associate and specialist levels during this round.

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Operations generalists

About 80,000 Hours

80,000 Hours’ goal is to get talented people working on the world’s most pressing problems. After more than 10 years of research into dozens of problem areas, we’re putting most of our focus on helping people work on positively shaping the trajectory of AI, because we think it presents the most serious and urgent challenge that the world is facing right now.

We’ve had over 10 million readers on our website, have ~600,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and have given one-on-one advice to over 6,000 people. We’ve also been one of the largest drivers of growth in the effective altruism community.

The operations team oversees 80,000 Hours’ HR, recruiting, finances, governance operations, org-wide metrics, and office management, as well as much of our fundraising, tech systems, and team coordination.

Currently, the operations team has ten full-time staff and some part-time staff. We’re planning to significantly grow the size of our operations team this year to stay on track with our ambitious goals and support a growing team.

To learn more about the other teams hiring during this round (video team, office of the CEO), see the individual job descriptions.

The role

This role would be great for building career capital in operations, especially if you could one day see yourself in a more senior operations role (e.g. specialising in a particular area, taking on management, or eventually being a Head of Operations or COO).

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Rebuilding after apocalypse: What 13 experts say about bouncing back

What happens when civilisation faces its greatest tests?

This compilation brings together insights from researchers, defence experts, philosophers, and policymakers on humanity’s ability to survive and recover from catastrophic events. From nuclear winter and electromagnetic pulses to pandemics and climate disasters, we explore both the threats that could bring down modern civilisation and the practical solutions that could help us bounce back.

You’ll hear from:

  • Zach Weinersmith on how settling space won’t help with threats to civilisation anytime soon (unless AI gets crazy good) (from episode #187)
  • Luisa Rodriguez on what the world might look like after a global catastrophe, how we might lose critical knowledge, and how fast populations might rebound (#116)
  • David Denkenberger on disruptions to electricity and communications we should expect in a catastrophe, and his work researching low-cost, low-tech solutions to make sure everyone is fed no matter what (#50 and #117)
  • Lewis Dartnell on how we could recover without much coal or oil, and changes we could make today to make us more resilient to potential catastrophes (#131)
  • Andy Weber on how people in US defence circles think about nuclear winter, and the tech that could prevent catastrophic pandemics (#93)
  • Toby Ord on the many risks to our atmosphere, whether climate change and rogue AI could really threaten civilisation, and whether we could rebuild from a small surviving population (#72 and #219)
  • Mark Lynas on how likely it is that widespread famine from climate change leads to civilisational collapse (#85)
  • Kevin Esvelt on the human-caused pandemic scenarios that could bring down civilisation — and how AI could help bad actors succeed (#164)
  • Joan Rohlfing on why we need to worry about more than just nuclear winter (#125)
  • Annie Jacobsen on the rings of annihilation and electromagnetic pulses from nuclear blasts (#192)
  • Christian Ruhl on thoughtful philanthropy that funds “right of boom” interventions to prevent nuclear war from threatening civilisation (80k After Hours)
  • Athena Aktipis on whether society would go all Mad Max in the apocalypse, and the best ways to prepare for a catastrophe (#144)
  • Will MacAskill on why potatoes are so cool (#130 and #136)

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The AI 2027 scenario and what it means: a video tour

AI 2027, a research-based scenario and report from the AI Futures Project, combines forecasting and storytelling to explore a possible future where AI radically transforms the world by 2027.

Some of you will have read this report, or come across it. Lead author, Daniel Kokotajlo, was interviewed by New York Times columnist Ross Douthat and US Vice President JD Vance claims to have read the report. Some of you might not have heard of it yet, or haven’t had the time to dig in…

So we made a video diving into it.

Why take the AI 2027 scenario seriously

The report goes through the creation of AI agents, job loss, the role of AIs improving other AIs (R&D acceleration loops), security crackdowns, misalignment — and then a choice: slow down or race ahead.

Kokotajlo’s predictions from 2021 (pre-ChatGPT) in What 2026 looks like have proved prescient, and co-author Eli Lifland is among the world’s top forecasters. So even if you don’t end up buying all its claims, the report’s grounding in serious forecaster views, research, and dozens of wargames makes it worth taking seriously.

Why watch our AI 2027 video

Containing expert interviews, our analysis, and discussion of what a sane world would be doing, we think the video will be an enjoyable and informative watch whether you’re familiar with the report or not.

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#220 – Ryan Greenblatt on the 4 most likely ways for AI to take over, and the case for and against AGI in under 8 years

Ryan Greenblatt — lead author on the explosive paper “Alignment faking in large language models” and chief scientist at Redwood Research — thinks there’s a 25% chance that within four years, AI will be able to do everything needed to run an AI company, from writing code to designing experiments to making strategic and business decisions.

As Ryan lays out, AI models are “marching through the human regime”: systems that could handle five-minute tasks two years ago now tackle 90-minute projects. Double that a few more times and we may be automating full jobs rather than just parts of them.

Will setting AI to improve itself lead to an explosive positive feedback loop? Maybe, but maybe not.

The explosive scenario: Once you’ve automated your AI company, you could have the equivalent of 20,000 top researchers, each working 50 times faster than humans with total focus. “You have your AIs, they do a bunch of algorithmic research, they train a new AI, that new AI is smarter and better and more efficient… that new AI does even faster algorithmic research.” In this world, we could see years of AI progress compressed into months or even weeks.

With AIs now doing all of the work of programming their successors and blowing past the human level, Ryan thinks it would be fairly straightforward for them to take over and disempower humanity, if they thought doing so would better achieve their goals. In the interview he lays out the four most likely approaches for them to take.

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