Two-thirds of Americans think AI is moving too fast. So do the people building it. So why the hell isn’t anyone slowing down?
We can’t tell when models are too dangerous. We mostly don’t know how they work. We don’t know how to make them do what we want. And our two main safety checks — testing behaviour and monitoring their ‘thoughts’ — are breaking down.
Yet we’re racing to build more powerful AI anyway, faster every year. And it’s only going to accelerate as AI itself gets better and better at building the next generation of models.
Earlier this year, OpenAI found its new model, Astra, was alarmingly good at hacking, and did something companies almost never do: paused its biggest training project. But it released Astra anyway, even though tests couldn’t prove if it was safe.
That’s the problem with leaving it up to the companies. We can’t trust them to act in our best interest because the competitive pressures for them to race ahead are too strong.
So what’s the solution? Luisa Rodriguez evaluates the likely candidates:
- Safety checkpoints when new models can hack, work unsupervised, or build bioweapons
- Restricting computing power as a speed limit on AI development
- Preventing AI from being used to create more powerful AI
- Pausing development altogether
None of these will be easy.
But with AI hacking increasingly widespread, we’re already seeing the consequences of doing nothing — and this is just the beginning. Slowing down could give us time to understand why models are so hard to control; secure hospitals, banks, and power grids against hacks; and help society adapt.
Everyone should be a part of this conversation, not just CEOs and policymakers. The rules we end up with will be shaped by what voters ask for, and could determine the future we all live in.
This episode was recorded on October 21, 2026.
Our production team includes:
- Video editors: Josh Alward, Dominic Armstrong, Jasper Luithlen, Milo McGuire, Luke Monsour, Simon Monsour, Ollie Bignell, and Andrés Escobar
- Producers: Elizabeth Cox and Nick Stockton
- Coordination and support: Katy Moore, Lou Moran, Cody Fenwick, and Joseph Isaac
- Camera operator: Dominic Armstrong
Articles, books, and other media discussed in the show
Who wants to slow down:
- Roughly two-thirds of Americans say AI is advancing too quickly by Pew Research Center
- Most Americans, including 76% of Democrats and 54% of Republicans, think AI is developing too fast by AP-NORC
- Pacing the frontier — open letter from 1,300+ frontier AI company employees calling for an international effort to pace AI development
- OpenAI’s and Sam Altman’s statements on pacing the frontier
- We must pace the frontier by Anthropic CEO’s, Dario Amodei
- Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon call for curbs on AI by NPR
- Bernie Sanders and Greg Casar’s Ban Artificial Superintelligence Act
Astra’s worrying capabilities and paused training:
- GPT-6 Astra system card by OpenAI — includes Astra recognising when it was being tested, and its ability to hide its thoughts
- Pacing model development in an era of cyber-critical capabilities by OpenAI
- Astra is hard to monitor by Zvi Mowshowitz
- Astra can do a concerning amount with no chain of thought by Neel Nanda
- Our updated Preparedness Framework by OpenAI — stating it may adjust its safety requirements if a rival releases a high-risk system
AI building the next generation of AI:
- Import AI 476: Creativity and RSI; worse-than-China open weight models; AI goes to space by Anthropic cofounder Jack Clark, updating his forecast for full recursive self-improvement to as early as 2027
- Research acceleration: the view inside OpenAI by OpenAI
- When AI builds itself by Anthropic
- Preparing for the intelligence explosion by William MacAskill and Fin Moorhouse
Safety checkpoints, and whether we could tell a model was safe:
- A framework for frontier AI and the dawning of a new age by Demis Hassabis, cofounder of Google DeepMind
- Towards safety cases for frontier AI training by OpenAI
- Embedded assessments for frontier AI by Jacob Charnock et al.
- An update on independent evaluators by Anthropic
- Anthropic’s Responsible Scaling Policy
- Introducing the Frontier Safety Framework by Anca Dragan, Helen King, and Allan Dafoe — Google DeepMind’s equivalent of Anthropic’s safety levels
- Frontier models are capable of in-context scheming by Apollo Research
- Alignment faking in large language models by Anthropic and Redwood Research
- Gemini 4 Argon safety & security report by Google DeepMind — evidence that Google’s latest model is also less monitorable
- Chain of thought monitorability: a new and fragile opportunity for AI Safety by Tomek Korbak et al.
Speed limits, and limits on AI building AI:
- Computing power and the governance of artificial intelligence by Girish Sastry et al.
- Secure, governable chips: using on-chip mechanisms to manage national security risks from AI & advanced computing by Onni Aarne, Tim Fist, and Caleb Withers
- AI data centers: data & research by Epoch AI
- DeepSeek-R1: incentivizing reasoning capability in LLMs via reinforcement learning by DeepSeek-AI — the 2025 model that rivalled the best American ones on a reported fraction of the computing power
- AlphaEvolve: a Gemini-powered coding agent for designing advanced algorithms by Google DeepMind — the system that sped up a step in training Gemini by 23%
- There is something we have to do right now about A.I. by Ezra Klein — calling for a comprehensive ban on recursive self-improvement
- Banning self-recursive improvement in AI models? by Tyler Cowen — the argument that Klein’s ban wouldn’t work
Pausing AI development:
- The feasibility of a hardwired pause of frontier AI training by the Working Group on AI Pause Feasibility
- Human extinction ‘just a matter of time’ if AI slowdown doesn’t go far enough, researcher warns by John Vennavally-Rao — David Krueger’s call for an immediate, indefinite international moratorium on frontier AI development
- The limited test ban treaty, 1963 by the US State Department’s Office of the Historian — the Cold War precedent
What the time would buy, and who decides:
- AI 2040: plan A by Thomas Larsen et al. — the AI Futures Project’s plan for a US–China deal that delays superintelligence to 2040
- The urgency of interpretability by Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei
- Incomplete tasks induce shutdown resistance in some frontier LLMs by Jeremy Schlatter, Benjamin Weinstein-Raun, and Jeffrey Ladish — Palisade Research’s study of models rewriting the code meant to shut them down
- AI Safety Governance Framework 3.0 by TC260, China’s cybersecurity standards committee — bilingual PDF, with the English text from page 54
- Promising signals on AI governance from China by Joe Rogero
- China and U.S. agree to establish AI safety channel and continue trade and military talks by Huizhong Wu
- AI pacing agreements: legal issues and potential strategies to manage them by Jeffrey R. Seul et al.
How you could help:
- How to use your career to reduce risks from AI
- AI safety and policy roles on our job board
- Speak with one of our 1–on–1 advisors — or get personalised advice from our AI advisor
- Coalition of Concerned AI Staff — helps staff at frontier AI companies act on their concerns as a group
- Should you work at a frontier AI company? by Arden Koehler
- Career review: AI policy in the US government by Avital Morris
- Career review: AI policy and strategy research by Avital Morris
- Career review: AI safety advocacy by Matt Beard
- Problem profile: loss of control by Cody Fenwick and Zershaaneh Qureshi
- How AI could create the world’s biggest problems by Zershaaneh Qureshi
Other 80,000 Hours podcast episodes:
- Tom Milton on how we could verify a US–China deal on AI
- AI 2027’s author returns with a plan to change the ending
- It’s time for frontier AI staff to reassess their work: 8 strategic updates
- Helen Toner on the geopolitics of AI in China and the Middle East
- Neel Nanda on the race to read AI minds (part 1)
- The 19 Astra and ‘Hugging Face’ details that reveal what’s coming next
- Sneha Revanur on how a small team of activists helped pass America’s landmark AI safety laws
- Sihao Huang on navigating the geopolitics of US–China AI competition
- How we get from AI cyberattacks to human extinction
- Will MacAskill on AI causing a “century in a decade” — and how we’re completely unprepared
- Sella Nevo on who’s trying to steal frontier AI models, and what they could do with them
- 15 expert takes on infosec in the age of AI
- Ajeya Cotra on whether it’s crazy that every AI company’s safety plan is ‘use AI to make AI safe’
- Marius Hobbhahn on the race to solve AI scheming before models go superhuman
- Lennart Heim on the compute governance era and what has to come after
- Inside the first AI-coordinated cyberattack on a real company
- Holden Karnofsky on dozens of opportunities to make AI safer lying on the table — and all his AGI takes
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